I Think I've Been Scammed! Please Help...

[Luger9mm]

I think I've been scammed by GWIN [Wayne Alynn Root's Co.]. I'm new to gambling on sports and this forum so please don't flame me too bad. I know I've made a big mistake so no need to demoralize me.

I signed up for service with GWIN. Was with them a few days, asked them to credit my credit card, they told me to stick with them, "trust them," we'll have your credit card paid off by the weekend," and "guaranteed" me 68%.

I've broken off ties with them, their accounting department was supposed to call me, no call. I'm working with a lawyer but I could really use any input you have regarding getting my money back.

How can they get away with telling people their service is "the best investment you'll ever make" when the service is sports information? They had me TOTALLY convinced they were legit. I'm so embarrased!

The worse part of it is I had a diving accident which has rendered me to a wheelchair. I mentioned to them that the relationship with them was more stressful than my handicap. Two days later they up-sold me saying, "because of your situation [my handicap] we're offering you a discounted rate on our service through 2004! They played on my emotions! How unscrupulous!

I told them from the beginning that I was a small player but they said they would build my bankroll up to $16,000 if I just used "self-disapline" and "money management." I went 3-15-1 following this strategy and loss all my money and had to borrow money to pay my losses.

I'm working with the credit card company's lawyers but I could REALLY use your input. There's got to be some law against what has happened to me.

Thanks in advance.

 

[tatehill2000]

Dude,,,
I am so sorry,,,, dude,,,, UGH,,,, my heart is breaking,,,,, listen,,,, I dont know what you sent them,,,, but write it off,,,

First of all you WILL NOT!!!! WILL NOT BE FLAMED HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,, this is a NEWBIES forum,,,, so you need to BRING the honesty,,, and alllll of your questions,,, LET US HELP YOU,,,,

they know the laws,,, and they have DANCED ALL AROUND them,,,,

stick around,,, and ask a thous questions in this thread,,and the MAIN THREAD,,,, you will be BROUGHT LIGHT years into the GAMEING forums,,,,,

there are a HANDFULL of CATS that are for real,,, a handfull,,, those dudes are not them,,, UGH,,,, I am so sorry bro,,,,

there are some GREAT CAPPERS IN ALL SPORTS HERE,,, much better than the scumbags your dealing wtith,,,,

anyway,,, the main scam they run,,, is this,,, they find 50-200 GUYS,,,, in 1 day,,, and they give 1 side of a game to 1 group,,,, and the other side of a game to the other,,,

now listen carefully,,,cause this is how they make their millions,,,,

the half that wins,,they say,,, SEE WE ARE INSIDERS,,, give us more money,,,
the ones that lose,,,, they then say,,hey we cant win them all we are gonna GUARENTEE YOU the next win!!!then that group they will give 2 OPPOSITE sides of a game to the seporate 2 groups,,,,, then the winners they say SEE,,, we told you so,,the losers they say,,, UGH,, we just fired that guy,,,, wiat for a special play,,,then they continue to divide the group into LOSERS AND WINNERS,,,

It is a SICK CYCLE,,, there will ALWAYS be a few dudes that go 5-6 wins straight,,, and always some dudes that go 5-6 losses straight,,,, that is the scam,,,,,, the one I am sure they played with you,,,,

stay close,,,and keep us posted,,,,, you are VERY IMPORTANT to all to LEARN the scum that is out there,,,,\
My blessings are with you,,,,

Tater

 

[SportSavant]

howd u pay em?

 

[tatehill2000]

I think credit card Savant,,,,, and he said he has involved attys from his STATES ATY????

you need to check>??? because YOUR STATE!!! may take the SUIT for you!!!!!! Just look fot it bro,,,
tater

 

[bettorstalk.com]

Well, how much did he pay them? You may be able to file for bankrupcy. Services get away with claims for false records, because no one does anything about it. It's actually marketing fraud, but whose going to go through the time & money to follow them then sue them.

 

[crazyivan24]

how much did he pay them?

Probably $100-200? if so, dont bother trying to get that money back if it is around that amount...

 

[winkyduck]

i feel for ya. wayne root is "pond scum" - and that is putting it nicely.

wish you had done some research on this loser here - you would have saved yourself a lot of time and heartache.

whenever scamdicappers (and wayne is one) make outrageous claims - and offer free games they will never give out - i call them up, listen to their pitch, and write all they had to say at this site.

to sse more about root, go to "find" - go to advanced search and then punch in "wayne root" in the subject line.

sorry - but while i am not a lawyer i doubt they did anything illegal. unethical - YES. illegal - NO. you aren't going to like what i am about to say - and i apologize for it - but it is the truth for the most part - and it is only what i have found out about root - and scamdicappers like him. these bottom feeders prey on the weak and desperate. they LIVE for people who are so down on their luck they need easy money - NOW! think about it this way. if you were doing well - why would you call a service? you wouldn't. but when you are down - and pressing - you are looking for a "life preserver" to save you - and these services try to market themselves as just that - life savers to people like you - and others - who can't think straight - but need money - and lots of it - NOW. the BEST (and legit) cappers out there are LUCKY to hit 60% for a season. that would be a HOF type season. yet scamdicappers all claim to hit 60-70-80 or higher percent on a REGULAR basis. they are ALL full of shit - but people who REALLY need winners hear these percentages - and get eyes as big as basketballs (if someone really did hit 70% - do you think they would sell picks - NO - they'd be on some tropical island lving off the MULTI-millions of dollars they made betting - trust me here). these services ALL tell their clients something along the line of, "don't worry about the money - when we win it is your bookies' money you will be using to pay me - and when i win you "$X" you will be more than happy to pay me "$X" for my services." sound familiar. having dealt with root (more on that later) i can tell you they have a set sales pitch that is razor sharp and VERY effective. it has to be - they have been in business for some time - and ned new customers every day. these sales staff ALL work on commish - and all they care about is getting THEIR money. they don't give a shit about you or your well being - only your money.

here are a few times i "busted" root. the scary part is i KNOW what B.S. they fed me - and the B.S. they fed you - are similar:

http://therxforum.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=100090022&f=771094022&m=19810327

AND

http://therxforum.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=100090022&f=366092022&m=59110348

my e-mail is listed below this message. need to "talk" further - and in private - send me something and i'll be more than happy to help as much as you need.

and the worst part of this all - is root will now sell your number to about 10-zillion scamdicappers, meaning you will soon be getting TONS of calls from services breathlessly telling you they have a "lock" for tonite - and it "only" costs (something like) $300 - and with it you get a full week of services. if you think i am kidding - sorry - i am not. for about the next 3-5 YEARS your life will be a living HELL from calls like these. the fact you are in a wheelchair and even broke/bankrupt/whatever is of no concern to them. as i said with root - these sales people work on commision. most don't last very long - and all they care about is YOUR money and getting it into their pockets so they can get their cut of it.

 

[Dante]

I am sorry to hear this...I still , for the life of never understand WHY people send these touts ANYTHING...Sir you can pick games just like them...They GUESS and flip coins to make there plays... I feel sorry for you sir and wish you the best please newbees that see this thread NEVER send a scam tout money

good luck

 

[Luger9mm]

WOW!!!! I've never belonged to a forum which has such quick and friendly replies. I'm grateful for all your input, and thanks for not beating me up like my family and friends have.

I paid them by CC, and it was not a few hundred dollars it was thousands. I'm too embarrassed to say the $ amount, but it is more I have to my name. The WHOLE reason I agreed to letting them tap my card was because they guaranteed me they were going to make money.

Winkyduck> Actually I didn't do this out of desperation. I was UP. I also read you posts on Wayne's operation last night. Very insightful. I only wish I would have found this site a month ago :-(

Here's a BRIEF overview of why I signed up. I'll leave names out.

A sales person outlined a plan how by using “Self-Discipline” and “Money Management” [he made me write these words down] GWIN could turn my $1,000 bankroll into an estimated $16,400. He said, and I documented this, in the upcoming weeks they [GWIN] would have an average of 252 plays. The plan was to build my bankroll up, at that time, $1000 so we could wager $200 a play. 68% of 252 = 170-80. This was $34,000 in winners, and $17,600 in losers. The net total is $16,400. Once again, these are the EXACT numbers he had me write down.

When he outlined this plan I literally laughed because I NEVER anticipated that I would be having this conversation. I said there was no way this is possible. If it was possible everyone would be doing it. He said, “Most people don’t know about us nor can they afford us,” “this is a proven strategy,” with the following “financial guarantee.”

He explained how it would work like this…

There were three tiers of plays. The first tier was, the “Chairman” plays which he said win just under 60%, and would average 5-7 of these type plays per week. These games would be $25-$50 per play. The next tier was the “Millionaire” plays which would contribute to 4-6 per plays per week at $100 game. Then there were the 20 stars or “No Limit” plays which win over 78% of the time, would occur 2-4 times per week, which would be a minimum of $500 a game.

After I signed up there was no "money management." They told me what games to and how much to wager. They had me wager WAY over my usual unit. I obliged them because they came across as being so confident in their picks. The salesman on several different occasions said he had 5 dimes on the same games he was giving me and the whole office was "pounding" these games. At 68% winners and their confidence I followed suit.

After the first loss I asked them to tear up the contract. "Stick with it," they said. More losses and I was freaking out. I knew I was in WAY over my head and pleaded with them to credit my credit card. More calls from them consoling me and saying "you've only been with us a week... blah blah blah."

After going 3-15-1 with them I broke off all communication with them. I sent them a fax asking for a credit and told them if they did not credit my card I would be hiring a lawyer and contacting the consumer protection agency.

They did not like the fax and basically in not so many words if this went to litigation they have a "team" of lawyers and I "better check the gaming laws in my state" before I proceeded.

My argument is not with the losses I had with their picks. My argument is it has to be unlawful for a sports information service to mislead people by using terms like "guarantee," "trust," "investment," "68% winners," and "financial guarantee." They're dealing with sports betting not selling something with a guarantee. The sales people TOTALLY contradict the contract which states something to the effect that "this is for entertainment and no guarantee."

There's SO much more I could tell you about what happened. They have to be stopped or exposed on a national level and if I don't get my money back I'm prepared to do whatever is necessary to bring this situation public.

I appreciate all of your input. I'm so happy I found this site even if it's just to vent, but I would REALLY appreciate any help you can provide.

Thanks and good luck in the tourney!

 

[JudgeWapner]

My heart goes out to you.But doubt if you have much recourse.should be a crime,but don't thimk it is.

 

[Top10Handicappers]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Dude,,,
I am so sorry,,,, dude,,,, UGH,,,, my heart is breaking,,,,, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I feel the same.... Sorry man.

If you would like, you may submit you problem to our site. We will attempt to get Wayne on the phone to discuss the problems you have run into. If we cannot get anywhere with them, we will post all of the specifics about your case on our site. It will definately serve as BAD publicity for them, and it will hopefully stop someone else from making the same mistake. (I am not touting here - so don't delet my post!) Go to www.Top10Handicappers.com to contact us.

Unfortunately, outside of just giving them BAD publicity and warning others about their scams, I don't know what else you can do.

You need to be VERY carefull about how you proceed with this aswell. Currently, the government considers gambling online a crime.

What he did, is probably within the law (not saying ethical - just legal). What you did with the info he sold you, could possibly get you in trouble at least with you bank, if not with the law.

Take care man.... I wish you luck.... Feel free to let us know if there is anything you think we may be able to do for you.

 

[SubZaero]

I never thought i would say this, but if the story is true and they are bullshitting you.... CHARGEBACK....

 

[tatehill2000]

nice offer topten,,,,,,,, hope you can help the dude
tater

 

[Jdogg]

Aren't there a few different industry watch dog sites? I'd look up every one I can and post your story to all of them. The more bad press the more effective...

 

[Luger9mm]

Thanks for all your input.

TopTen: If you don't mind, I'd like to wait and see what they will do with my request for credit. I'm trying to be diplomatic with them at this point.

If what everyone is saying is true about Root then what really hurts is that they would use my disability to obtain money from me. The salesman said because of your "situation," meaning my handicap, they would give me service till 2005. For a measily few thousand dollars. When I expressed my fears about giving them more money he called the debiting of my card, "only a paper transaction." Yeah a transaction I'll pay for for the rest of my life.

Thanks

 

[Top10Handicappers]

Luger9mm: No problem

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If what everyone is saying is true about Root then what really hurts is that they would use my disability to obtain money from me. The salesman said because of your "situation," meaning my handicap, they would give me service till 2005. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He is just plain scum. Actually, I think scum is putting it very nicely.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> ...a transaction I'll pay for for the rest of my life... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hope it is not that bad man. A few thousand bucks can really hurt, but I am guessing you will be ok in the long run. I certainly hope that you do not get too bent out of shape over all of this, life is way too short!

Just keep in mind that every day is better than the last, and tommorow will be better than today. Just be glad you are alive to be ripped off!

When all of this is resolved, or run out of options, please come back here and let us know what happened with all of this.

My site is new, but growing quickly, and I would love to expose that assholle for what he is. So be sure to let me know what happens.

You can email us at: support@top10handicappers.com

Take care man, I hope all works itself out for you.

 

[tatehill2000]

TOP....nice words,,,
Lugar,,,,,hang tight,,,,and stay close,,,, therea re many great cappers,,,, here,,,, be patient,,, and have fun,,,, thereare many thieves out there,,, and unfortunatley you got bit,,,,, stay positive,, and just know this is a temporary bump in the roAD,,,,

tater

 

[lbk]

WITHIN 60 DAYS OF A PURCHASE YOU CAN "DISPUTE" ANY CHARGE ON YOUR CREDIT CARD. WHEN YOU DISPUTE A CHARGE, ROOT WOULD HAVE TO PROVE YOU RECEIVED THE SERVICE, WHICH HE COULD NOT. YOU HAVE TO HURRY YOU HAVE 60 DAYS. YOU DON'T NEED LAWYERS, JUST SEND A CERTIFIED LETTER AND THE CREDIT CARD COMPANY WILL INVESTIGATE.

 

[Jdogg]

Kudos ibk

 

[Luger9mm]

Thanks again for all your input.

Update: I've been advised by a legal team working Pro Bono to fax them one more letter requesting a refund. If my money is not refunded we will be contacting the Attorney Generals offices of Nevada, US, and the Nevada Consumer protection agency as well as contacting major newspapers for an expose on what happened to me. I've spoken with a few people in the disabled community and they are ready to support me. I wonder how GWIN would like to see a guy paralyzed from the shoulders down featured in a major US newspaper speaking about their poor business practice.

I'll be scared to death to go up against them, but I've fought tougher battles in life. I pray they just credit my card and I will not have to fight with them, but I'm prepared. I think the people who want to help me are more prepared than I am. I'm basically holding them back because I have to wait for GWIN's final answer.

Thanks again.